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Amity and Truth · Sep 27, 2006, 09:44 PM // 21:44

I'm going to get flamed and stoned to death for bringing up a topic that has been beaten to death, flamed to death, then ressurected and killed again by trolling.

Here is another rebirth for one of those blasted damn loot threads. Damn, i named it. *flameshield on*

*waits*
Allright
*flameshield off*

Now that everyone has fired his flames off...

Did anyone else beside me notice some loot oddities in the system? It has been starting with the Nightfall Preview Event. Ever since the event loot has become a bit strange and well, predictable somewhat.
I'll best explain it using an example:

Let's say you go into the Fissure of Woe. You kill the first two mobs and instantly know what the drops will be like for the rest of the trip? It's been like that for the last few days. I've done 3 FOW Runs ever since NPE. The first one had a lot of gold (not items). Oddly it was 148 goldpieces every single time gold dropped.
The second run hat quite some Dye Vials and the third run had lots of piles of glittering dust, yep you get it, they dropped in pairs of 4. For a total of 35 time the pile of dust in the exact same quantity.

Of course other stuff dropped as well, the usual white crap.
However this seems like something is awfully off with the random loot generator. Like it is getting stuck after you've killed the first few mobs and stays like that for the rest of the trip.

Is anyone else experiencing this strange behavior?
(Please don't discuss loot quality. Discussions about that are a true sign for an upcoming flamewar)

XvArchonvX · Sep 27, 2006, 10:47 PM // 22:47

I think you are simply looking too hard into finding a pattern to something that is random.

Amity and Truth · Sep 27, 2006, 11:15 PM // 23:15

Yep as i thought the first reply would be.
Look, i am NOT trying to find a pattern, i'm not trying to decipher anything. It's simply that this is looking like a bug and all i do is ask if it's an isolated case or something bigger.

Priest Of Sin · Sep 27, 2006, 11:41 PM // 23:41

i've noticed it as well. When farming trolls, if I get one gold/green drop, I know that the other drops will be good. If i get ONE white raven staff, then usually the drops will be pisspoor. And then there's the instance where I got nothing but obsidian shards, which was awesome for me, but bad for my teammates. I picked up 20 shards off that run, they barely got two each. I was accused of hacking >_>

Irongate · Sep 28, 2006, 12:09 AM // 00:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Priest Of Sin

i've noticed it as well. When farming trolls, if I get one gold/green drop, I know that the other drops will be good. If i get ONE white raven staff, then usually the drops will be pisspoor. And then there's the instance where I got nothing but obsidian shards, which was awesome for me, but bad for my teammates. I picked up 20 shards off that run, they barely got two each. I was accused of hacking >_>

Where are you farming trolls and getting obsidian shards?

Priest Of Sin · Sep 28, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

I wish i was farming trolls and getting shards... i figured it was implied that I was in FoW farming. It's the only place where you CAN get shards... I think..

Count to Potato · Sep 28, 2006, 12:21 AM // 00:21

Its more like paranoia or something, u should be gald one of those FoW runs will give only golds

XvArchonvX · Sep 28, 2006, 01:41 AM // 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amity and Truth

Yep as i thought the first reply would be.
Look, i am NOT trying to find a pattern, i'm not trying to decipher anything. It's simply that this is looking like a bug and all i do is ask if it's an isolated case or something bigger.

You expected that type of a reply for a reason. Drops are random. Just because you see something that resembles a pattern doesn't mean that it is a pattern. If you had a 10 dice you would be just as likely to roll all 3s three times in a row as it would to roll a 3,2,5,6,1,2,1,1,5,5 three times in a row.

Riken Chrono · Sep 28, 2006, 03:36 AM // 03:36

>_< i got 4 ectos from the first 4 aataxes >_< all dropped for me, partner got pissed and left...we never agreed to 50/50 btw

then some guy in a fow run got 3 shards and 2 gold items in 2 mobs....

Ecksor · Sep 28, 2006, 03:44 AM // 03:44

oh yeah well... nvm i never get good drops so i wont say anything

exiled mat · Sep 28, 2006, 04:04 AM // 04:04

I guess there is some kind of special code which sometimes spams dye's, because mostl time there will drop more IF there drops one :P (I like shouting "DYE TIME!!" over the teamchannel :P)

Phaern Majes · Sep 28, 2006, 05:16 AM // 05:16

Heh me and my guildie got 4 ecto out of the aatxes. Been nice if it had kept up

To my knowledge though dust always dropped by 4 in uw and fow. Well I won't say there aren't exceptions but its been that way for as long as I remember.

Sekkira · Sep 28, 2006, 05:58 AM // 05:58

I was farming griffons the other day and kept getting minotaur tusks, it was really annoying. Usually I get lots of ectos and shards. Usually I take lsd too, but I'm sure it's not related.

some guy · Sep 28, 2006, 06:39 AM // 06:39

Yesterday I　was playing FoW in a B/P team, this guy got 3 shards in a ROW, that's just messed.

Also 2 days ago, went with a trapping group in UW, this guy got 2 golds in a row also, dropped by 2 smite crawlers, a gold storm bow and a gold eternal shield.

Yeah, and I wish there is a code that makes all loot golds

arcanemacabre · Sep 28, 2006, 06:56 AM // 06:56

As much as I advocate the randomality of the droprate code (though there's no proof for or against it), I have to kida agree with you on the odd drops lately.

Earlier tonight I got dyes in exactly this order: Purple, Silver, Purple, Silver... all across two different instances. This is from some of the higher level areas in Cantha (South Kaineng), and I tend to never get dyes in higher level areas, ever. So getting one dye shocked me, but four in a span of about an hour, and in that order? Thought it was kinda odd.

I also did notice they have upped the amount of gold that drops from mobs... unless that, too was my imagination. Not sure about the same exact amount dropping from everything as in your example, but it seems pretty regular. Maybe they upped the droprates on dyes and gold? Seems probable, I think.

Yawgmoth · Sep 28, 2006, 07:08 AM // 07:08

The OP is right, but this isn't a strange behavior. This is just how GW drop system works (at least for ~~8months when i got interested in it more)
It is just so that some certain variables used by the random drop generator are set up at the moment the instance is created. I'm not getting into details now but it's sometimes possible to predict the quality of drops (or possible 'anomalies') at the beginning of a run, after getting some first drops.

EDIT: i didn't do any farming runs for a couple weeks and almost any PvE except for the Nightfall event so i didn't see if this phenomenon is more clearly visible, as the OP states. This topic made me want to make some experiments again.

shrouded^god · Sep 28, 2006, 10:20 AM // 10:20

Yea, a group I did FoW with the other night was like that...one person got like 4 shards and 3-5 gold drops....and we couldnt find one damn chest either...

Tarkin · Sep 28, 2006, 10:37 AM // 10:37

Last 2 weaks i playing 3 man fow run... and the shard drops are balanced...
like this >2 3 3< >4 3 5< >3 3 3< >2 3 4<...
and if i get 2 yesterday and pals get 3 and 4... today i get 4 and them 3 and 3...
If i stard with 3 drops to me at end drops stop to me and pals get your loot...

Let me explain, if one area have 200 foes, and your team kill 100 foes, and the team get something like (3 1 1 0) good drops and stop... over... but if team go ahead and kill the other 100 foes i can bet with you that final stats will be (3 2 3 2) or (4 2 3 2) or (3 1 3 2) a better balance in drops...

But i kown sometimes someone can have huge luck like me in a 8 man run in fow i get 6 shards and 2 golds against a 1 shard drop to all others in the team...

For the last... today can be your day of luck... tomorow not... but normaly you will get your part of the loot...

Carth` · Sep 28, 2006, 10:48 AM // 10:48

I have noticed that sometimes in FoW there will be very few shards, and sometimes everybody will get around 4 shards each. You can sort of predict how good the run will be based on the first few drops.

Lynxius · Sep 28, 2006, 10:55 AM // 10:55

Actually i believe its only a matter of pure luck and coincidence.
Bring up some statistics prooving the pattern on drop rates and il believe it.